@Daniel the real issue here is accepting that both men and women are equal in God’s sight and irrespective of how you perceive it or try to misconstrue my statements they are the facts of the Bible and the true word of God.

Interesting how you chose to ignore Ephesians 5:25 in your quote above which says. “Husbands love your wives as Christ loved the Church and gave Himself up for her.” Like I said before look at all of the Bible’s teaching rather than leaving out all of the verses which teach the whole Truth of the Word of God. Your role is also not negotiable.

@Daniel With respect, the God of the Bible and His standards are the truth on which I stand. Making comments about my current marital status are irrelevant and further I am enjoying life even more at age 65 surrounded by positive people both men and women who demonstrate mutual respect for each other.

@Dashane 100% brother! Alot of women have feminist ideologies, so there for they struggle to find a man because of this. Exactly! It clearly states that the man is the leader of the house hold, he protects and provides for the house, and the woman takes care of the home. Unfortunately in the west this is a big problem. .I would suggest going over seas my brother, to a country were the women are still feminine and traditional 💯

@Daniel With respect Daniel I do not agree. The real issue is the lack of balance in the teaching and understanding of the Scriptures in relation to the roles of husband and wife in a Christian family … The Bible clearly states that the husband is to love the wife as Christ loved the Church and laid down His life for her ….

@Evelyn if a Christian man truly seeks to model the example of Christ then he will be a SERVANT leader. In working with many families I have seen that most women who love the Lord respond well to the genuine love and kindness of a Godly Christian man…

@Daniel The Bible also teaches that the wife is to be the Husband’s helper with his role so it follows that if he is to protect and provide then there may be situations where the family will need her to work outside the home …

@Evelyn There are also many genuine Christian women all over the world who are beautiful both inside and out. More importantly God looks on the heart and not on the outer appearances.

@Daniel The Bible is also very clear that men and women are equal before the Lord - Galatians 3:28. Hope this helps with your understanding.

@Evelyn of courses you don't agree, with all do respect most women in general don't live in reality... You can't have a masculine leader and a mega simp at the time, that's not going to work. Men are not slaves... You are also required to do your part as the woman. Be feminine, submissive and pure.. alot of women fail at this, which is why they find themselves single in their mid to late 30s Just like a woman has standards, a man also has standards aswell.

We already assuming he is following Christ, he's still going to have standards Feminism is lie and has no place among a Godly family.

@Daniel Hi Daniel, women have standards too. It is not feminism that is the issue here and I am not a feminist. If Christian men demand submission and do not demonstrate genuine love and sacrificial care for their wives then no woman or her child should be made vulnerable and left at risk. It is that simple.

@Evelyn as a female your standards are never questioned, so it's irrelevant to the topic... How ever mens standards are. You have feminists ideas, which is probably why you are single. We as men already demonstrate that by providing and protecting, and in turn you follow the man's lead or be single. Most women put themselves at risk by siding with demonic feminism.

@Daniel With respect Daniel you know nothing about my background I or my history. I suggest you refrain from making generalisations. Every person’s journey is unique and complex. And yes the topic is very relevant as I deal first hand with women who have gone through trauma as a result of these issues over many years.

@Evelyn the world works I'm generalisation, it's very solipsistic to think the world relovles around your own personal experience. It's irrelevant because your standards aren't questioned, so you have nothing to complain about.

@Daniel My connects are very relevant and whether or not you agree with me. Furthermore, I am not complaining but standing up for every Christian woman who has suffered because of the poor behaviour of men demanding submission at all costs. The God of the Bible does not endorse this sort of behaviour,

@Evelyn it's not about agree or disagree, you're just wrong, it's irrelevant because your standards are never questioned as a female. Those women picked those men, they need a heavy dose of accountability, just like if I pick a promiscuous woman and she destroy's my life..then that's my own fault Masculine men that have themselves together, don't try and change feminazi's, we just leave them on the shelf. God doesn't condone misandry 👌

@Daniel It is simply your personal view to say that I am wrong and that my comments are irrelevant. It is the truth of the Word of God which is paramount which is cleat about a true Christian marriage being a covenant partnership before God where each plays a different but complementary. It is the Godly Christian men who both now and throughout history are to be celebrated and honoured for their Godly masculinity,

@Evelyn thats the difference between me and you, in not solipsistic...so I can view the world in general without my "feelings" you're wrong because you cannot think objectively, which is a narcissistic trait. It's not a partnership, if the roles are different.. Men are the leader's and women are the follower's. Is the CEO equal to his employee? The answer is a profound no. I know you would like to mix in the demonic feminism you be spouting, but that's not how it works.

@Evelyn I didn't see the model the way you've described but I think that could be due to generational differences. Its a given that as a wife I'd have my personal relationship with Jesus as well as a joint relationship with my husband. But hearing your perspextives I understand by a few generations above me could see it that way. Makes me realise it wasn't long ago that things were very different 🫶❤️

@Ana Thank you Ana for your comments. My comments come from both my work and personally helping my families through these difficult issues. A truly loving and Godly Christian man will honour and treasure you… will see you as part of the covenant partnership before the Lord, will respect and celebrate you and will not coercively control you. The issue is the manipulation of God’s Word where submission is demanded without any accountability by the man,

@Evelyn im really sorry to hear your experiences. I understand how some people could distort scripture and become abusers but I think that's a separate issue to God's design which most men and women today are striving to aspire to. There will always be bad people but overall I believe God raises good sons 🥰

@Ana Hi Ana, Thank you for your message but I disagree. I used to be very idealistic but in my experience it is not a separate issue. If both husband and wife work together celebrating the difference roles and respecting each other with godliness then the ideal model can work but is not always the case…

hi evelyn ❤️ in this case, with 'idealistic' meaning 'faithful' and the 'ideal' meaning the biblical model, is there ever a justification to abandon faith in the Bible just because humans have misused it? The reason why I believe the two should be kept separate is because with God's word being the light, and the distortion of it being darkness mixing the two results in a corrupted Way. We aren't called to yield to the darkness when it seeks to bully us into abandoning the gospel. Matt 16:18🙏

Also I love Jesus conversation with the pharisees in Matthew 19:4-11. When man had changed God's marriage model to suit their own fleshy desires Jesus tells them it wasn't this way in the beginning then upholds the original design. Your Ephesians descriptions of how a man should love his wife are beautiful Evelyn. Would be a shame to let what you have seen of the darkness, kill steal and destroy your faith in what Christ died for you to have. Persevere ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

@Evelyn who tell me there are women who are suffering in silence in our pews. Unless you are directly involved in this sort of work people have little to no idea of the impacts involved. The twisting of Scripture to have women submit without the corresponding accountability of men is the source of this problem, Evelyn

@Evelyn I think we're still having two different strands of conversation here, but its okayy bless you ❤️

@Ana With respect, I disagree. The truth of the teaching of the Word of God is that men and women are equal before God but have different roles. The issue is the lack of teaching for men about their role …

@Evelyn Furthermore, the depiction of the umbrella by a cult is wrong and I have seen many men lord it over Christian women with arrogance demanding submission to the risk of those women …

@Evelyn I will call this hierarchical system for what it is and with respect unless anyone has worked directly with the people who are the victims, there is little understanding on the issues.

@Ana I guess people make these visual aids to manipulate people and misrepresent scripture too.

@Tim this could also be the case, Satan's been manipulating God's instruction to us since Genesis, which is why after all these years you'd think we'd have learned why its so important to stick to the Gospel

@Ana Focussing only on The Gospel and not on the entire Word of God to fully understand God’s teaching on marriages and families does not take into account the full context of God’s perfect design. Goes back to the point of taking verses out of context and using them in isolation.

@Evelyn 😳 erm there seems to be some confusion, as the gospel (singular) is the common term used to reference the entire 'bible message' from Genesis to Revelation 🤷‍♀️

I don't understand your point, God's original design was cancelled by humans messing up and we are moving to a renewed heaven and earth. Or do you live like Adam and Eve?

@Tim Yes Tim I agree with you. Although we should seek to live out our lives according to what God intended, as New Testament Christians we can only do so allowing the Holy Spirit to work in each person’s life and great marriages are a result of much prayer together and for each other,

@Boone Hi there Boone, it is repressing because it fails to acknowledge that as a woman I can have a direct relationship with Jesus Christ… there is also no acknowledgement of the importance of the wife’s role as helper

@Hector can you show me the verses regarding the umbrella? In my Bible it says Christ is enough not Christ through your husband is enough. Also, a good theology is not make up by throwing around verses but an integral reading of scripture. My Bible says also that "Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!" and I would argue that's not a Christian thing to do.

@Tim you are spot on Tim. This depiction is not about God’s order at all. The truth is only properly understood by a full and proper understanding of the whole word of God.

@Hector With respect, I disagree. There are many Godly Christian woman who have been abandoned by Christian husbands who have abdicated their responsibilities and who have not sacrificially put their wives first. It is a sad reality for many that women have had to step in to protect and provide for themselves and their families through no fault of their own.

Can someone please come up with a less messed up version please 😥 hope you are doing good buddy!

Thanks for the book recommendation!