@Jude I really do not follow. Are you trying to suggest the Messiah's first miracle involved producing wine of 1%ABV? That would not have been transforming water into wine, but rather water into purple water.

@Stephen Agreed, and that’s not what I am saying. Changing water into grape juice anyone can do that. All you have to do is crush some grapes. Collapsing time and causing that chemical process to happen in an instant at the micro level is, in fact, a miracle. I’m explaining that even if the wine was low in alcohol, as suggested by Rebecca, it still doesn’t mean that absolutely no one could get drunk.

The fact that God gave them the choice to choose how much to drink tells us He loved these people. He gave them FREEDOM - like it was back in the garden.

@Jude Your maths is way off... plus, you are not a drinker. Trust me, nobody could get drunk on 1%ABV wine.

@Stephen an old man? An infant? Someone who is prone to alcohol poisoning? I don’t think you’ve thought this through…

Pretty sure as a proficient engineer, I quite sure that there is no such thing as “nobody”. There are always exceptions in statistics. You’re making the mistake of taking aggregate data and applying to individuals…

@Jude Engineer? Makes sense. No, at 1%, everyone would piss or sweat it out before any inebriation would be possible.

@Stephen Again, you’re saying “everyone”. Anyway, you’re repeating the mistake. You shouldn’t speak for each and every individual while not even accounting for medical conditions, age, metabolism, allergies, etc. I think I’ve already made my point previously.

@Jude You did, but your point is a poor one, as , as I explained. If you cannot do basic calculations, I'd wonder what kind of engineer you are, and avoid all physical projecta you had worked on in this world, lest they collapse. You already made an hilarious claim to have calculated the volume of wine and numbers present at the wedding. Now you're claiming the guests could get sloshed on 1%ABV wine. How much wine would an adult need to drink to get pissed at that strength?

You're really struggling, as anyone with half a brain can see. No babies were mentioned as getting hammered on hooch at Cana. Dig up. Next, let's note before you bluffed saying you had calculated the amount of wine, number of guests and decided they could get drunk from 1% wine, which was obvious nonsense. Proof of which- now you cannot calculate how much 1% wine a guest would need to drink to become inebriated during the celebration. You are a chancer, sir.

@Stephen I’m going to ignore the personal attacks. I hope you hold a better job. If you read your bible you’d know the number of jars are mentioned. Again, you’re making the same mistake by asking how much alcohol an adult can consume before getting drunk - which clearly depends on a number of variables that I have already mentioned. This amount is NOT the same for everyone. That is why you should use judgement and responsibility when consuming alcohol.

Let’s assume you didn’t know the number of jars 🫙 and you didn’t have historical records of measurements used at the time. You still can’t GENERALISE and apply aggregate information to individuals by claiming with absolute certainty that NO ONE could get drunk BECAUSE of said variables.

I’m happy to discuss your line of thinking but I can’t accept your childish and abrasive language. Ironically, you’re clearly the one doing the disrespecting… I have to end this conversation thread because of that but also because you keep repeating the same mistake.

@Rebecca I find it interesting how a holy holy holy God would associate Himself so many times to an alcoholic beverage, which you’ve clearly agreed it is. Cheers 🍷

Rebecca, that is simply not true. They had wines like Falernian which was stronger than wines of today, at 16%. It's simply misinformation put out by Christians who dislike alcohol to attempt to deal with the facr that Jesus himself loved wine.

Jude, because wine is life, it is sunlight in a glass, it is sacred. We are reminded of the Last Supper in the miracle of transubstantiation, wine becomes the blood of Christ. Wine is central to our culture.

@Stephen are you saying wine literally became the blood of Christ at the Last Supper? I don’t hold that belief. I think He was talking metaphorically like in John 10:7 where He said “I am the door” 🚪 I don’t think He meant that He is an assembly of timber board, handle and hinges…

@Jude Not at the Last Supper, but at the Eucharist. You do not need to imbibe wine to be a Christian, but you must understand its significance in our culture.

@Stephen I understand its significance and meaning, but I personally don’t believe that wine literally becomes or transforms into the blood of Christ at the Last Super or Eucharist. We don’t drink or consume the blood of Christ, we consume wine.

@Jude Faith is personal. Believe what you will. But your comments about Christ associating himself willingly with evil in wine, while I understand they might come from personal negative life experiences with alcohol, border on blasphemy, and certainly demonstrate a great lack of understanding of the topic. If your choice is not to drink, I can respect that. But respect goes both ways.

@Stephen Agreed, faith is personal. I didn’t say Christ associated himself with evil. I meant that people think that because wine contains alcohol that He did… when actually it’s about personal responsibility and how much you drink. I’m actually well-versed in the topic because many of my friends do not drink. I myself I’ve never had any problem with alcohol, never been drunk ever.

I think, and truly believe that we do not consume the blood of Christ but wine. I am not trying to convince you, I’m just telling you what I truly think. #respect

@Jude It's not relevant whether you believe in transubstantiation, nor whether you drink, to establish the importance of wine to Christianity. You seem to confuse the personal with the universal. Wine is a beautiful thing. Everyone has free will. Choice is ours.