Yes you can lose if you start sinning and not repent,just like how Lucifer was in heaven and God kicked him out when he sinned
Once saved always saved?
Can a Christian lose salvation?
Such a big question with lots of differing views, what's yours? Remeber to treat everyone with respect đ
Once saved always savedâ yes! In the sense that, when a personally TRULY becomes saved they receive Christ and are transformed and they never depart from the faith.
If they depart or never change into Christ's likeness, they were never saved to begin with.
I'm growing into the persuasion that we can "lose" our salvation, in the sense that we have the freedom to walk away from Christ after we have truly encountered him. I believe in the perseverance of Christ's invincible heart for us, but we would be mere puppets and automatons if we , once we have entered into a relationship, no longer had the capacity to leave it. I'm still growing into this line of reasoning, but God made us with a big, delicious free will, that can (foolishly) reject him.
Why people make the false equivalency of "choosing" Jesus (and by extension leaving Jesus) to be earning our salvation, just seems ridiculous to me. If we're drowning in the Pacific Ocean and we choose to grab the life raft, are we meritorious in this act? Or course we aren't.
@James well said James. Our salvation is not about us but Gods choosing. If my earthly son turned his back on me and never spoke to me does he cease to be my son?? This Arminian view of salvation negates this parable and dozens of scriptures and dilutes the completeness of Christs accomplishment.
Yes, a Christian can lose salvation. If you say otherwise, youâre essentially saying that we donât have free will. A human can chose to walk away from God, but thatâs the way for the salvation to be âlostâ. No one in the world before the Protestant Reformation wouldâve said that you canât lose your salvation lol.
@Tyson unfortunately your conclusions are philosophical and arenât biblical. Did you go back in the tardis and discover âno-one in the world thought thatâđ
Itâs so sad that many Christians live on the the tightrope of not understanding the completion of Christs achievement and opt for Jehovah witness styled salvation by works because of misunderstanding scripture. There will be some that were never believers in the first place such as Judas but have the appearance of being a Christian. But this is quite different from salvation by works or in fear of committing the unpardonable sin!
Galations 5:1 is talking about how we can stop living in the good of Gods grace. Falling away doesnât mean loosing our salvation. Itâs not possible to be âunborn againâ. Thank heavens!
@Benjamin can you explain James 2:14-26 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. I assumed this meant you can be saved, however if you do not change your life/works to become a better person. You havenât fully committed to being saved. These are assumptions Iâm no expert, I would like to hear your view.
@Lee being saved isn't about commitment and dedication, it's through faith alone by the grace of Christ's spilled blood on the cross
If we are capable of losing our salvation, what is the point of grace? Is the blood of Jesus limited? Is it conditional? If we were capable of saving ourselves and/or keeping ourselves saved, why did Jesus die in the first place?
John 10:28 "I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will smatch them out of my hand." Romans 11:29 "For the gifts and callings of God are irrevocable." Romans 8:38-39 "For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord."
@Matt Grace and all the above Bible verses you mentioned apply only if we take up our cross and follow Jesus on a daily basis. No amount of prayer done today is enough for tomorrow. Thatâs why we pray âGive us this day our daily bread đâ and not âgive us tomorrowâs breadâ. Hence, in the Bible it has been continuously said to keep watch everyday (Mathews 25:13, Mathews 24: 42, Rev 3:16) Therefore, we must pray and ask for forgiveness for our sins everyday.
@Gourab it's good to pray every day however I do not believe your salvation hangs on it.
The Bible warns Christians that they can "fall from grace" (Gal. 5:1-5), be "cut off" from salvation (Rom. 11:18-22), have their names removed from the Lamb's Book of Life (Rev. 22:19), by committing certain sins and not repenting of them (cf. Eph. 5: 3-5; 1Cor. 6:9; Gal. 5:19, Rev. 21:6-8).
It can't be anymore clear than that
It's really very simple,. The Bible warns Christians that they can "fall from grace" (Gal. 5:1-5), be "cut off" from salvation (Rom. 11:18-22), have their names removed from the Lamb's Book of Life (Rev. 22:19), by committing certain sins and not repenting of them (cf. Eph. 5: 3-5; 1Cor. 6:9; Gal. 5:19, Rev. 21:6-8).
It s better If You don't stop believing
Idk but I will say it his u can't build anything into of junk or a weak foundation
yes this is correct
I think that such a huge topic like this needs detailed study of the whole of God's word. Thankfully, there are people who have done alot of the hard work for us. I can recommend the book Bible Doctrine by Wayne Grudem, which is an abridged version of his Systematic Theology. It's more readable than you think, and is useful for us in our study of the Bible. Without comprehensive study, we could believe whichever argument suits us, or even think God's word can is contradictory (which it isn't)
@Rachel sorry for the typo at the end - can be contradictory (which it isn't)
Was Judas ever saved? Did Judas ever lose his salvation? Can a Christian renounce Christ and become a Satanist?
I can write all day on this long debated topic but ill just say this, that is not scripture, and there are plenty of scriptures that proves thus wordly saying false. I can only say study to show thyself approved unto God, there has been plenty manipulation of the word of God, because people desire to make Gods word appease their sin. He who endures to the end the same shall be saved matthew 24:13.
I Never Knew You 21 âNot everyone who says to me, âLord, Lord,â will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, âLord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?â 23 And then will I declare to them, âI never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.â So letâs not take salvation for granted
@Yvette you're absolutely right. If Jesus says He doesn't know who you are it means you are not saved. Yes you can lose your salvation. Just like the virgins with the lampstands story. Maintaining the oil, the anointing is vital. No one can give anyone else from their oil, you have to earn yours and keep maintaining it. Otherwise you're not going to make it. He will deny you, because you've denied Him, you won't enter the kingdom of heaven.
Im so glad that we can as Christians have these discussions because we need to know that we are saved by his grace because he loves us even when we disobey he waits for us to fall in alignment but if we donât the we donât! his love doesnât change but this is what does mathew7: 21-23 says:
Whatever God started he will bring to completion... 1 peter I'm someone who did slide for a while. God was determined to keep that work going!
You can not lose your salvation. Jesus has promised to keep us and He never fails.
@Gustavo heâs fidelity is not a question he never fails heâs promised to keep us ,but we have apart to do too ! Is stay under the shelter of the most high if we leave , he doesnât force us to, he waits patiently for us to come back!
If one is saved by Yeshua, Jesus Christ, the Son of Almighty God ...then He has redeemed that person by His blood and forgiven all their sins. He is faithful to complete that which He has started in us, and our omnipotent, omnipresent God is always with us to lead and hold us is His hands. He knows our beginning and end. Why would He predestine us then lose us? I think those that "lose their salvation/faith" deliberately reject God, but He knew they would, yet His grace is sufficient.
In the epistles of Saint Paul: he writes right like this: I was saved, I'm being saved and hope to be saved at the last judgment
I think if we truly repent, weâre saved, if we then backslide, weâre saved, if we turn away, weâre saved, God is waiting for us to turn around, and will wait as long as it takes. I heard a story recently about a man who became a Christian as a young man but later turned his back, years later, and dying of cancer, he felt Godâs presence and on his deathbed, came back to Christ. So thereâs hope for those brothers and sisters whoâve fallen away. But did they truly give their lives to Jesus?
@Jacki Hello Jacki, Thank you for your thoughtful post. I agree we can backslide and if one is genuinely a born again Christian we always have Godâs gift of salvation. Important we all not take His precious gift of salvation for granted.
God wants everyone to be saved, and even in your deathbed He will give you a last chance to repent and accept Him into your heart so that He can welcome you home. It's still your choice at the end of it all. The point is we don't know when we're going to go and even if we'll have that last chance to be saved. Who you serve when you die is where you're going. There's not but's at that point. We are to stay alert and vigilant for Christ's coming. He will come like a thief in the night.
Like with any relationship it needs to be maintained. God invites us to be in a covenant with Him and we have a choice whether we accept or decline the invite. If we accept we are to maintain the relational covenant with Him. Marriage is an example of this, hardened hearts lead to divorce as hardened hearts can lead us away from God. You can lose salvation by not maintaining your relationship with Jesus.
Also wanted to add that you can return to a relationship too. Salvation is always available but we can turn away from it too, therefore losing it. God never takes it away from us, we take it away from ourselves by not choosing to keep God first.
@Oasis Good morning dear Oasis, I agree more with this... thank you for sharing đđź
@Charlie thanks Charlie :) Glad it was helpful âşď¸
I always liked the Davids Pawson sermon on this. He also wrote a book. Can take a look.
Ditto! đ I was also thinking about Pawson's sermon when I saw this question.
I don't believe you can lose your salvation, but you can willfully forfeit/turn away from it. There are many Scriptures in the NT that describe this happening. 1 Timothy 4:1, Luke 12:42-48, 2 Peter 2:20-22, Hebrew 3:12, Romans 11:22
@Troy And based on those Scriptures, once saved always saved is false
Exactly đŻ
I agree once saved always saved is false. NIV- Revelations 3:16 So, because you are lukewarmâneither hot nor coldâI am about to spit you out of my mouth. God is full of mercy and wants all of us to repent but like any relationship it requires work and commitment to live life the right way God tells us how to live through his word .
Once saved always saved. âMy sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Fatherâs hand. I and My Father are one.ââ ~ John⏠â10âŹ:â27âŹ-â30âŹ
@Koren-Marie yes but in John 12: 47 to 50 he complemented it with the following: 47 âIf anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. 49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.
50 I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.â
So, we can forfeit salvation if we do not follow his teachings. However, if we truly repent and follow his teachings, our Lord will forgive us!
@Ajit but He is talking about âhearers of the word but not doersâ (like the Pharisees) so then I think itâs a question of theyâre not really saved. I donât believe you can have the Holy Spirit and receive salvation and comfortably live a life in sin with no conviction without turning back to the Father đđ˝â¤ď¸ I think once youâre saved you are His â¤ď¸
@Ajit thereâs too many verses to support it, and I think everything else is guidance on how to live in His love - and if you truly love Jesus you will do it by default. But at the end of the day, who knows! I treasure my salvation and I pray I never lost it, but i simultaneously live in the peace and comfort that I am His forever and eternity
@Koren-Marie lose*
@Koren-Marie he is talking to the Pharisees, not about them only. He clearly says, "Anyone." We all stray, but if we truly repent, we are forgiven. That is why he was sent to redeem and forgive us. Like he said to the apostle, Peter. Forgive when asked as the heavenly Father forgives (paraphrasing here Mathew 18:21-35). That is how he does it, too. You have to repent. Even the parable of the prodical son shows that...
There are verses that talk about his flock following his word and that we will be able to see or distinguish his followers by their actions, not words (paraphrasing here, too). Mathew 16:24-28 is the best of these I can think of, with verse 27 being the standout.
@Ajit I agree with everything you are both saying, but that doesnât mean you can lose your salvation - it means those who are doers and those who follow Him are saved and always will be. If you are saved you are - by default - going to repent when you mess up, because after that salvation and receiving the Holy Spirit you just canât live in sin
@Koren-Marie, I hopefully get your perspective. I believe you are saying that as long as you choose to walk as per the Lord's commands, though you will fall sometimes (not willfully) and repent wholeheartedly, you will be saved. Not including the list of caveats where one willfully chooses to sin and believes, I will just ask forgiveness, and I will be saved. If this is what you mean, then we are on the same page!âď¸
The key to see hear is that his people (his sheep) they Follow HIM, which means they remain in his will, his word ,and his way, thats what makes them his and keeps them in his hands. The devil cannot just snatch us out, but we can jump out and choose to submit to another law
@Angel @Ajit I agree with everything you are both saying, but that doesnât mean you can lose your salvation - it means those who are doers and those who follow Him are saved and always will be. If you are saved you are - by default - going to repent when you mess up, because after that salvation and receiving the Holy Spirit you just canât live in sin
1/2 This is just my opinion, but NO. Jesus paid the ultimate price so that we could be saved. But God gave us free will so that we may choose to follow Christ and be saved. But if we don't turn away from sin and the ways of the world, then we are held captive by the sins we keep running back to. We have to repent and Jesus will save us. Jesus saves me on a daily basis because don't we all fall short?
2/2 If you go to a dangerous area & you get kidnapped & tortured. You cry out Jesus, me and He does. You follow Jesus for a while, but the road gets hard and it's not exciting... so you end up going back to that dangerous area where the kidnappers are and they torture you again. You cry out again Jesus, save me please, I'm sorry I left you. Can you imagine if Jesus said - I already saved you once. Once saved always saved, right? Thank goodness Jesus never says that and He is excited to save us
@Louise I agree
@Louise I agree I like your example
@Louise you are confusing being saved from a difficult circumstance and eternal salvation. Yes, God is always saving us from difficult situations but when it comes to eternal salvation, as the name hints, it is eternal. Everlasting. What kind of everlasting salvation doesn't last forever?
@Lydia Salvation is a free gift to save us from the fires of Hell. You can still forfeit the Kingdon of Heaven, by indulging in sin. Galatians 5:21 says "envy, drunkeness, lust and other sins like these. Let me tell you AGAIN, that anyone living that sort of life WILL NOT inherit the Kingdon of God" The price we pay for sin is our salvation. We have to repent.
Thank you Louise for your original comments, and this is another great response đđź Love that Jesus NEVER gives up on us... even when we still make rhe same stupid mistakes đđźâ¤đđź
@Louise for the wages of sin is death romans 6:23
Can I provide an answer to different question? Because i do think that the key to finding a good answer is accepting that there are greater questions that solves smaller ones. Is God good? if we truly believe that God is good, that He hears us when we cry out, if we believe He hasnât closed the gates of heaven to us with impossible or confusing rules. then we have a good reason to trust in Him regardless of the answers to smaller questions. the goodness of God is indeed a greater question.
@Taylor yes.
Jesus said âgo and sin no moreâ
Lets look at the scripture! Matthew 7:21-23 is a pretty clear answer. P.S. the more accurate translation of Jesus words, "I never knew you", from the original Koine Greek would be "for not even one day have I claimed you as my own". So all this professing our faith, the works, the service, the prayer, etc is not the way to be claimed by Jesus. Remember: there is a way that seems right to men, and in the end leads to death. The path is narrow my friends, single file behind Christ our Lord!
I believe it is possible to fall away from the Lord. While we are not saved by our own works, we are called to live a holy and sanctified lifeâthere is no way around it. Scripture supports this truth, though many choose not to see it, often due to their own fleshly desires or the influence of false teachings. The path to life is narrow.
I have learned about His faithfulness and unfailing Love largely through the lack of my own. But for the Grace of God go any of us⌠We cannot limit the ability of Jesus to save through our understanding of it. God pursues us, and sent Jesus with a heart of mercy, in full knowledge that we cannot remain faithful, and need Him in advocate for us.. so that no one can boast by their own works. This is our God. I do not believe the God I know Him to be turns the worst of sinners (like me) away.
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We can make a case either way, but the reality is we do not know for sure. God looks at the heart and it is His will that none should perish - there are so many difficult situations and circumstances, where we canât apply a blanket theory as to who is saved and who is not. If we truly believe that God loves people, then I have to believe that He looks upon people with compassion (people who have lost faith usually have done so due to pain), giving them an opportunity to accept Him.
No, according to the Bible we as born-again Christians cannot lose their salvation and those who are born again are given eternal life and that God's plan cannot change, His promises cannot fail & that the calling of God cannot be revoked. Those who are truly saved will remain saved until the end.
However, some say that people can backslide (fall away) from their faith during times of testing. These tests can include struggles with family, lifestyle choices, or other hardships. To ensure salvation, people should nurture their faith through prayer, Bible study, and active participation in church.
The term backslide appears in the Old Testament, referring most often to the people of Israel. They fit into the âbacksliderâ category because they were Godâs people first. None of the other pagan nations were ever called backsliders.
One of the confusing things when talking about backsliding is we confuse those who backslide with those who were never saved. To be a backslider, you must first have a true relationship with Jesus Christâthis means you have had a true salvation experience. Many people show outward signs of salvation. Maybe they start going to church or even serving in ministry, but they have never experienced salvation or entered a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
I'm unsure about this. I'm a lodger with a family who strongly believes that you can't and I see where they're coming from. Jesus does say he won't lose any of those given to him. And for those who say you lose salvation when you lose faith, even John the Baptist lost faith but I think we can agree he didn't lose his salvation. So there seems to be a good argument for it. Plus, salvation isn't gained by works, so how can it be lost by works?
Yes you can, unfortunately. So we fall we should strive to be like st Peter and not like Judas Iscariot đŞâĽď¸âď¸
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