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Isabel - Team SALT
Tue Aug 13 2024

Should guys make the first move? 🧔

Not trying to cause division but would love to hear your thoughts. Is it OK for a girl to ask a guy out? Ladies, do you wait for the guy to pursue? Men, do you like it if a woman approaches you? What about matching and messaging? Tell me everything!

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Jonathan's avatar
Jonathan

Yes 100%. Well I would like a girl to cause it’s easier, but I’d do it if I have to

Sat Aug 17 2024
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Jess's avatar
Jess

@Jonathan I don’t think it’s fair- we’d all like things to be easier but I think it has to be balanced…

Fri Aug 23 2024
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Essiek's avatar
Essiek

I think the first initiative is important, but I don't think it should be a standard always

Sat Aug 17 2024
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LF's avatar
LF

Why make it complicated? If you're interested, initiate contact or ask for a date, no matter whether you are male or female. For me it doesn't really matter, and it certainly doesn't put me off if a woman takes initiative.

Fri Aug 16 2024
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Evelyn's avatar
Evelyn

@LF I agree that women should take the initiative but perhaps not ask for the first date.

Sat Aug 17 2024
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Abbie's avatar
Abbie

Some great comments on here :) For me, personally, I would prefer the man to make the first move in terms of asking me on a date. Having said that however I’ve definitely initiated conversations with a guy if I’m interested in them but I’ve never asked any guy on a date. Once I start a conversation they can then decide if they want to take it any further or not :)

Fri Aug 16 2024
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Evelyn's avatar
Evelyn

@Abbie Hi Abbie, I agree with this approach. Initiating conversations depends on the personalities involved. Some men can be very shy.

Sat Aug 17 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

Yes! It's biblical

Fri Aug 16 2024
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Evelyn's avatar
Evelyn

@Nadia Hello Nadia, While I agree that a man should lead the woman in a Christian marriage there is nothing in the Bible that talks about dating. My view is that a woman can express interest and then the man can either lovingly pursue her or let her know in a respectful way that he is not wanting to explore a relationship

Fri Aug 16 2024
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Clive's avatar
Clive

Yes but helpful if women sit near them.

Fri Aug 16 2024
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Chris's avatar
Chris

With all the ghosting that I have personally experienced, @Isabel - Team SALT , why would I? I'm starting to form the view that making the first move is somewhat futile. If a lady were to make the first move, at least I'd know that she was, at the very least, interested in chatting.

Fri Aug 16 2024
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Genesis's avatar
Genesis

@Chris Sorry to hear that Chris. I’m not sure how making conversation between man and woman has become so difficult in this day and age 🤷🏾‍♀️😒☺️

Fri Aug 16 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

@Chris Yeah, I've experienced this too, if a woman matches with me and just waits until I write the first message, she's not that interested in the first place and proceeds to ghost me after a few messages. I think it's also kind of rude, I would prefer a simple "Hello, how are you?" rather than nothing, since the man has to come up with the topic of conversation anyway.

Fri Aug 16 2024
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Jude's avatar
Jude

@Georg Easier to play God of War and just relax.

Fri Aug 16 2024
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Stephanie's avatar
Stephanie

@Georg Could say the same for men too. If we match and they don’t send the first message, I assume they aren’t interested enough.

Sat Aug 17 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

@Stephanie Good point, it’s silly to leave a match unanswered from both sides!

Sat Aug 17 2024
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Evelyn's avatar
Evelyn

@Chris Hi Chris, I agree that ghosting is not good and simply bad manners. I suggest you keep persevering. The Salt Table chats are also a great way to get to know people. God bless

Fri Aug 16 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

@Chris i can relate to that mate, same situation many times.

Sat Aug 17 2024
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Evelyn's avatar
Evelyn

@Dan Hello Dan and fellow Aussie, 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺 I agree although this happens to women as well as shared by Stephanie above. At the very least if someone messages then it is good manners to acknowledge and message back. Keep persevering though. God bless.

Sat Aug 17 2024
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Jess's avatar
Jess

@Chris if it makes you feel better, it happens both ways. I’ve been reluctant to message people I’ve matched with because the ones I have haven’t responded

Fri Aug 23 2024
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EllieM's avatar
EllieM

Always

Fri Aug 16 2024
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Grace's avatar
Grace

💯

Fri Aug 16 2024
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Alice's avatar
Alice

There is something very attractive about a man who takes the initiative 🔥

Fri Aug 16 2024
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Rob's avatar
Rob

It’s perhaps easier with online, but in person there can be a lot to lose from asking a woman out - especially if there is an established friend group or you’re in the same church, where things can become awkward. Whether IRL on online, there needs to be some indication of compatibility (interests, views etc) so there has to be healthy communication prior to asking out. Also, it seems that women are told not to “settle” whilst men to be open and not “overlook”, which feels like double standards…

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Rob's avatar
Rob

A question for the ladies - assuming that a guy is a solid Christian, is of a similar age, not too far away and there is a shared interest/hobby/calling, what determines whether you say yes to a first date or reply to their initial message positively?

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Amanda's avatar
Amanda

@Rob If I know him IRL: how does he treat others? Am I attracted to him in any way? (Maybe he’s ’not my type’ but I love how he serves others) Online: are there some good photos of him (not badly-lit bedroom selfies)? Is his profile filled out with some meaningful information? Is there at least one mention of his faith? Is his message respectful? Is he asking me something specific about my profile?

Fri Aug 16 2024
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Kristina's avatar
Kristina

I think both sides should be intentional about their approach. I'm more traditional and believe that the man should initiate the pursuit. As ladies, I also feel that we may invite the man so that he feels encouraged that his efforts and feelings will be reciprocated. Nothing like chasing a woman that doesn't know what she wants. We still need to exercise wisdom. I've unintentionally invited a man to pursue by being supportive or kind and it caused confusion for both sides.

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

Always made a first move/comment/like, had next to no replies, now what? 🤷🏽‍♂️ It's hard to do so, and it's very discouraging and annoying. Interaction should work both ways and not rely on the one side to do something.

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Derek's avatar
Derek

It feels nice if a lady makes the first move too. It is hard as it is to have to guess if someone likes another person. Guys get rejected all the time and can be tiring too

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

@Derek it does get tiring to the point of why bother putting in a lot of effort when the result becomes a multitude of non responses or rejections. 🥺

Fri Aug 16 2024
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Jovita Joy Govender's avatar
Jovita Joy Govender

It is our duty has woman to position ourselves to he found. One of which way is by reaching out to a guy and saying something nice. Hopefully if he is interested he will reply. If not I just keep it moving. Sorry but I am not getting any younger and I don't have time to waste.

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Jovita Joy Govender's avatar
Jovita Joy Govender

I don't mind reaching out to a guy and letting him know his online profile was interesting etc. But I will probably only say as little as that, so he knows that I exist on this earth or in other words on this dating app or whichever one I am on. It is up to him to go read my profile and message me back if the Holy Spirit leads him to do so. Remember Proverbs 18:22 He who finds a wife. The woman is meant to be found, she is not the finder.

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

He who fine a wife, fine a good thing and obtain favour from the Lord. but the love should be reciprocal, and the woman should show if she is interested or not.

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Tovias's avatar
Tovias

I don't mind making the first move, but I'm not going to chase. Be clear with your intentions. We're not getting any younger🤷‍♂️

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Rory's avatar
Rory

The bible doesn't say either way. E.g. Thou must wait to be asked on a coffee date. God's the ultimate initiator of all things. Colossians 1:16

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Kristina's avatar
Kristina

Love that!

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Manny's avatar
Manny

I believe it's easier for men as well if a woman take few steps and then man approaching her. But it shouldn't be a norm that only men should approach. It's nice if a woman approaches a guy without keeping ego aside. It's simple and clear for both the genders.

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Evelyn's avatar
Evelyn

@Manny Hi Manny, Well said and I tend to agree with you fellow Aussie. 🇦🇺🇦🇺

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Jay's avatar
Jay

If you’re interested just say so.. kind of sick of the cat and mouse stuff.

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Evelyn's avatar
Evelyn

@Jay Hi Jay, yes agree with this too fellow Aussie. No time for games. 🇦🇺🇦🇺

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Jay's avatar
Jay

Ladies should give signs of interest and men should make the first move. It’s not WRONG that ladies ask a man out, but I don’t recommend it because of future consequences to the structure of the relationship created . It starts in the wrong dynamics .. and when it does, usually it continues like that. Never had good results for me, so now I avoid it to the most…

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Derek's avatar
Derek

@Jay yes, showing interest does help the other party know you want to get to know. No response is just not honring God. Treat others you want to be treated

Wed Aug 21 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

I guess Men should make the first move but I’m not against those ladies who do

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Fidel's avatar
Fidel

I mean yes what's the worst thing that The person you're going to make the move on says no

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Jess's avatar
Jess

Honestly I would prefer it if guys made the first move, however, I know some people are shy so if I’ve not had a message after a match I’ll send one just in case, but it seems quite common for people to match and then not talk to you which seems strange to me 🤷‍♀️

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Jay's avatar
Jay

@Jess it’s weird right? If there was a match why don’t the guys say anything ? 🤦🏻‍♀️

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Liam's avatar
Liam

@Jay I mean, we could be busy. There's many reasons why we wouldn't act on a match immediately. Could also be we're unsure of how to start the conversation. For some blokes, starting a convo is a challenging and daunting feat, particularly when it's to a potential partner.

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

@Jay agreed its strange

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Jay's avatar
Jay

@Liam I don’t even mean here as answering a match immediately … I mean in general, in life. But here most matchs never say anything. Not immediately not ever. And those are guys women already “pre approved” - so chance of rejection is low. Cmon.. do we gotta do all the work? 😅 Doesn’t the Bible say the man FINDS the wife ? People are waiting to be found hahaha

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Jess's avatar
Jess

@Jay I have no idea. I always wait a bit but I often don’t get a response which makes me not want to initiate because 1) it is disheartening and 2) I have no idea what to say so Im reluctant to spend ages thinking of something nice and considerate for no response.

Fri Aug 23 2024
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Jess's avatar
Jess

@Liam agreed but when it’s been a day or so (or longer depending on my busyness) and still nothing, and I make the step to reach out and send a message that shows I’ve taken an interest in them (as advised on the app) and to try and start a conversation and still no reply that’s just confusing to me…

Fri Aug 23 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

I wouldn't have a problem making the first move

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

for suree🙏🏼💪

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Kevin's avatar
Kevin

Yes

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

There's no right answer to this question. The reason I say this, 1) men want to pursue but it's not the fact that we're always afraid too it's for a plethora of reasons for example we're in constant competition with a vastly large group of men so that deturs us, we get put off asking because of what today's "feminism" has created that makes men feel like they're constantly walking on eggshells and then there are those that are shy and aren't sure how to approach woman or take rejection...

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

2) I'm gonna get heat for this but it's true...woman say they "know" what they want in theory however in reality they're all over the place from one minute to the next. Constantly changing their mindset, indecisiveness, and men can't stand that. However both sides are equally at fault for the biggest issues...communication and a foundational relationship with Christ. You don't have that you don't have anything.

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Ana's avatar
Ana

When I first started on the app I used to like the male profiles I was interested in, but I didn't have peace doing that so switched to waiting to see who comes up in my like list and then open a match if its mutual. Again I won't message first I'll wait and see if they want to step forward and go from there. Not saying thats for everyone this is just how the Lord guided me

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

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Wed Aug 14 2024
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Jess's avatar
Jess

@Amiel what would you say a woman should do to show her open to being approached? I’m interested in your opinion

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Quel's avatar
Quel

Yes

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Evelyn's avatar
Evelyn

I agree with you. Some guys who are very shy simply do not sense the woman’s interest. God bless with your search.

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Suze's avatar
Suze

Yes

Tue Aug 13 2024
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Shanell's avatar
Shanell

Yes. It's biblical. Lol Men should pursue.

Tue Aug 13 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

@Shanell what about Ruth's case? Seems like she made the first move... it is also biblical. It's not "doctrinal" that the man MUST take the inititive, though I agree with this, I like to make the first move, but there is nothing wrong about women doing it (they kinda always do in the real world anyway, by signaling the man that they can approach/talk to them).

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Evelyn's avatar
Evelyn

@Orlando Yes women can express an interest but it is better for a man to lovingly pursue here in a respectful way, This sets the expectations for what a future relationship may look like.

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Amanda's avatar
Amanda

@Orlando Ruth is a great example. I like for a man to make the first move, even on here, but what I’ve learned is that men often don’t. So I will now message or speak if I want to make it clear I’m interested. I haven’t snuck into anyone’s barn yet though …

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Jess's avatar
Jess

@Amanda I like this as a reminder. Have you had much response from making your interest clear?

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Jess's avatar
Jess

@Evelyn also Boaz still pursued Ruth - she just made it clear that that was okay

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Evelyn's avatar
Evelyn

@Jess Yes that is correct.

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

@Jess This is incorrect. Boaz did not pursue. Ruth not only pursued Boaz she was the one that made the marriage proposal to him! Please read Ruth the 3rd chapter and report back

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Amanda's avatar
Amanda

@Jess Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I figure it’s worth a try. One thing that has been good, particularly in ‘real life’, is that being the one to speak has cleared the air even if it hasn’t gone the way I’d hoped.

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Jess's avatar
Jess

@Troy not incorrect. Ruth reminds Boaz of his responsibility to her. In chapter 3, she reminds him that he is her kinsman redeemer and she is open to the idea. When she says spread your cloak over me, she is saying put me under your protection etc. I would not say this is a marriage proposal but a reminder to him that he should propose!

Fri Aug 23 2024
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Jess's avatar
Jess

@Amanda I think this is so important and I try to do that too. I also try to be clear on intros that I receive where I stand if I don’t think it’s going to work (I (maybe for personal or theological reasons - i try to give people a chance even if I’m not sure unless there’s something very very clear on my end) because I would hate for someone to be misled but I am open to friendships and I think that’s where things should start!

Fri Aug 23 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

@Jess If you read Boaz's response in Ruth 3:10-12 He says, 1. "You(Ruth) did not go after the young men neither poor or rich" Meaning she could have pursued and proposed to one of the younger available men that were not related to her former husband. 2. "It is true I am close relative" meaning he already knew Ruth was a relative before Ruth said anything, but He didn't make a move until after she proposed

Fri Aug 23 2024
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Jess's avatar
Jess

@Troy go after doesn’t necessarily mean propose. Women can chase after men and they can position themselves to make men realise they are interested. Ruth could have shown other men she was interested but she didn’t.

Sat Aug 24 2024
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Jess's avatar
Jess

You might not agree with this statement as others do and that’s fine. I’m not going to be continuing this discussion any further because I’m fairly sure we won’t be in agreement and that’s fine.

Sat Aug 24 2024
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Jess's avatar
Jess

He (Boaz) wouldn’t have gone after Ruth anyway because he wasn’t the closest relative and he had no right to do so despite being obviously interested in her from the beginning. Chapter 4 is the explanation of why he doesn’t chase after her and as a Godly man I don’t think for a second he would have don’t anything that might have caused her hurt because he genuinely cares for her

Sat Aug 24 2024
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Scott's avatar
Scott

Are we playing chess or checkers?

Tue Aug 13 2024
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Curtis's avatar
Curtis

When it comes to displaying interest on apps like this, I don’t think it makes a difference who reaches out first. The guy may never even see a possible future match’s profile unless she expresses interest first. Just my opinion, though ❤️

Tue Aug 13 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

Personally I think it’s better if the male makes the first move after the woman shows interest, eg matching or another way if it’s in person.

Tue Aug 13 2024
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Siân's avatar
Siân

I don't think there's anything wrong with females making the first move (in fact I think this would benefit very shy and introverted men). I too have sometimes sent the first message once matching with a guy (although only if I haven't heard from them after a day 😆). However, I am usually quite traditional and would prefer the man to lead as whenever I have thought about pursuing men in general something in my spirit hasn't felt quite right.

Tue Aug 13 2024
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Juan's avatar
Juan

It would be if she made the 1st move sometimes😅. It can be hard to tell if someone is interested or not every now and then.

Tue Aug 13 2024
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Haven - Team SALT's avatar
Haven - Team SALT

It’s nice if they do but doesn’t always have to be the case!

Tue Aug 13 2024
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Emma's avatar
Emma

I agree!!

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Amber's avatar
Amber

I study psychology at Harvard University and have spent ~10,000 hours dating (the number that technically makes someone an expert). There’s an absolute need for the man to seek and chase. If he doesn’t, he isn’t interested. There’s nothing “wrong” with a woman asking/messaging - yet if you need to, the man likely needs to discover his God and himself more before he dates. Let the man lead. Reassure, yet let him lead 🙏

Tue Aug 13 2024
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Tracey's avatar
Tracey

@Amber absolutely- women can drop a hint or green light 🚦 but men should ‘find a wife’. That said if you are a woman and comfortable making the first move then that’s fine. Not for me though

Tue Aug 13 2024
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Jude's avatar
Jude

@Tracey I agree with the part about “dropping the hint” 🟢 and making yourself available, waiting patiently, praying and let him lead.

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Evelyn's avatar
Evelyn

@Tracey Agree Tracey.

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Martin's avatar
Martin

@Amber so even secular research backs up the idea that men should make the majority of the efforts to connect?

Tue Aug 13 2024
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Jude's avatar
Jude

Even in the way God designed us biologically - the man gives and the woman presents herself and receives. Without going into too much details - if you know what I mean 👀

Tue Aug 13 2024
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Amber's avatar
Amber

@Martin yep! However there is nothing “wrong” with women making moves - it’s just a lot harder to define if a man is interested if we (as women) are putting ourselves out there. I have not been shy to make the first move, and after many years of being single I finally get it…

Tue Aug 13 2024
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Jude's avatar
Jude

@Amber And I’ll add to that that if the woman takes initiatives she may set this as a precedence in the relationship. If you, as a woman take initiatives and initiates, please do not be surprised when the man sits back and relax and let you plan your dates, holidays, birthday parties, etc. Don’t you say, down the line, that you want a man with a plan.

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Ryan's avatar
Ryan

@Amber Oof, that's a hard one to hear. I intentionally allow space in relationships so people are free to go -- it shows me the ones who really want to stay; and I will never chase. 🤔

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Evelyn's avatar
Evelyn

@Ryan people need to be clear about intentions. I don’t like time wasters and make it clear if you are not genuine

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Evelyn's avatar
Evelyn

@Evelyn with your interest then I would rather move on.

Thu Aug 15 2024
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Joao's avatar
Joao

This question is too ambiguous. There are a lot of differences between people who do match. Different church denomination, different ages, different culture depending on the state you were born. Sometimes people like to talk, sometimes they are shy. And there are people who simply don't think you're interesting, you simply don't match their expectations this goes for both man and women. They somehow know you're not "the one" even before some deep connection or conversation.

Tue Aug 13 2024
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Evelyn's avatar
Evelyn

@Joao Totally agree. There are many scenarios to consider.

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Joao's avatar
Joao

@Evelyn Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

Honestly, dating is hard enough, so there is no need to overthink it. I think both men and women should just approach someone if they are interested and not sabotage themselves with arbitrary expectations of how things should be done.

Tue Aug 13 2024
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David's avatar
David

@Georg nicely said, don't add ourselves some difficulties 😅

Tue Aug 13 2024
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Evelyn's avatar
Evelyn

@Georg Yes George agree. Once they meet in person, get to know each other’s personalities etc then in a genuine Christian relationship the guy will get to know how to pursue her in a winsome way.

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Kenneth's avatar
Kenneth

I think what is most important is the intention. While guys may be thinking it is their job to make the first move. Men must stop and think what are my intentions to connect either this other person

Tue Aug 13 2024
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Evelyn's avatar
Evelyn

@Kenneth So true Kenneth. Honesty and clear communication is so important.

Wed Aug 14 2024
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Anonymous's avatar
Anonymous

Personally I feel like who makes the first move shouldn’t/doesn’t matter because it doesn’t go against God’s word for a girl to make the first move either. Except the Holy Spirit says otherwise either the guy or girl can/should make the first move.

Tue Aug 13 2024
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Evelyn's avatar
Evelyn

@Gied see my response to your comment above.

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