Yes 100%. Well I would like a girl to cause it’s easier, but I’d do it if I have to
@Jonathan I don’t think it’s fair- we’d all like things to be easier but I think it has to be balanced…
Yes 100%. Well I would like a girl to cause it’s easier, but I’d do it if I have to
@Jonathan I don’t think it’s fair- we’d all like things to be easier but I think it has to be balanced…
I think the first initiative is important, but I don't think it should be a standard always
Why make it complicated? If you're interested, initiate contact or ask for a date, no matter whether you are male or female. For me it doesn't really matter, and it certainly doesn't put me off if a woman takes initiative.
@LF I agree that women should take the initiative but perhaps not ask for the first date.
Some great comments on here :) For me, personally, I would prefer the man to make the first move in terms of asking me on a date. Having said that however I’ve definitely initiated conversations with a guy if I’m interested in them but I’ve never asked any guy on a date. Once I start a conversation they can then decide if they want to take it any further or not :)
@Abbie Hi Abbie, I agree with this approach. Initiating conversations depends on the personalities involved. Some men can be very shy.
Yes! It's biblical
@Nadia Hello Nadia, While I agree that a man should lead the woman in a Christian marriage there is nothing in the Bible that talks about dating. My view is that a woman can express interest and then the man can either lovingly pursue her or let her know in a respectful way that he is not wanting to explore a relationship
Yes but helpful if women sit near them.
With all the ghosting that I have personally experienced, @Isabel - Team SALT , why would I? I'm starting to form the view that making the first move is somewhat futile. If a lady were to make the first move, at least I'd know that she was, at the very least, interested in chatting.
@Chris Sorry to hear that Chris. I’m not sure how making conversation between man and woman has become so difficult in this day and age 🤷🏾♀️😒☺️
@Chris Yeah, I've experienced this too, if a woman matches with me and just waits until I write the first message, she's not that interested in the first place and proceeds to ghost me after a few messages. I think it's also kind of rude, I would prefer a simple "Hello, how are you?" rather than nothing, since the man has to come up with the topic of conversation anyway.
@Georg Easier to play God of War and just relax.
@Georg Could say the same for men too. If we match and they don’t send the first message, I assume they aren’t interested enough.
@Stephanie Good point, it’s silly to leave a match unanswered from both sides!
@Chris Hi Chris, I agree that ghosting is not good and simply bad manners. I suggest you keep persevering. The Salt Table chats are also a great way to get to know people. God bless
@Chris i can relate to that mate, same situation many times.
@Dan Hello Dan and fellow Aussie, 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺 I agree although this happens to women as well as shared by Stephanie above. At the very least if someone messages then it is good manners to acknowledge and message back. Keep persevering though. God bless.
@Chris if it makes you feel better, it happens both ways. I’ve been reluctant to message people I’ve matched with because the ones I have haven’t responded
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There is something very attractive about a man who takes the initiative 🔥
It’s perhaps easier with online, but in person there can be a lot to lose from asking a woman out - especially if there is an established friend group or you’re in the same church, where things can become awkward. Whether IRL on online, there needs to be some indication of compatibility (interests, views etc) so there has to be healthy communication prior to asking out. Also, it seems that women are told not to “settle” whilst men to be open and not “overlook”, which feels like double standards…
A question for the ladies - assuming that a guy is a solid Christian, is of a similar age, not too far away and there is a shared interest/hobby/calling, what determines whether you say yes to a first date or reply to their initial message positively?
@Rob If I know him IRL: how does he treat others? Am I attracted to him in any way? (Maybe he’s ’not my type’ but I love how he serves others) Online: are there some good photos of him (not badly-lit bedroom selfies)? Is his profile filled out with some meaningful information? Is there at least one mention of his faith? Is his message respectful? Is he asking me something specific about my profile?
I think both sides should be intentional about their approach. I'm more traditional and believe that the man should initiate the pursuit. As ladies, I also feel that we may invite the man so that he feels encouraged that his efforts and feelings will be reciprocated. Nothing like chasing a woman that doesn't know what she wants. We still need to exercise wisdom. I've unintentionally invited a man to pursue by being supportive or kind and it caused confusion for both sides.
Always made a first move/comment/like, had next to no replies, now what? 🤷🏽♂️ It's hard to do so, and it's very discouraging and annoying. Interaction should work both ways and not rely on the one side to do something.
It feels nice if a lady makes the first move too. It is hard as it is to have to guess if someone likes another person. Guys get rejected all the time and can be tiring too
@Derek it does get tiring to the point of why bother putting in a lot of effort when the result becomes a multitude of non responses or rejections. 🥺
It is our duty has woman to position ourselves to he found. One of which way is by reaching out to a guy and saying something nice. Hopefully if he is interested he will reply. If not I just keep it moving. Sorry but I am not getting any younger and I don't have time to waste.
I don't mind reaching out to a guy and letting him know his online profile was interesting etc. But I will probably only say as little as that, so he knows that I exist on this earth or in other words on this dating app or whichever one I am on. It is up to him to go read my profile and message me back if the Holy Spirit leads him to do so. Remember Proverbs 18:22 He who finds a wife. The woman is meant to be found, she is not the finder.
He who fine a wife, fine a good thing and obtain favour from the Lord. but the love should be reciprocal, and the woman should show if she is interested or not.
I don't mind making the first move, but I'm not going to chase. Be clear with your intentions. We're not getting any younger🤷♂️
The bible doesn't say either way. E.g. Thou must wait to be asked on a coffee date. God's the ultimate initiator of all things. Colossians 1:16
Love that!
I believe it's easier for men as well if a woman take few steps and then man approaching her. But it shouldn't be a norm that only men should approach. It's nice if a woman approaches a guy without keeping ego aside. It's simple and clear for both the genders.
@Manny Hi Manny, Well said and I tend to agree with you fellow Aussie. 🇦🇺🇦🇺
If you’re interested just say so.. kind of sick of the cat and mouse stuff.
@Jay Hi Jay, yes agree with this too fellow Aussie. No time for games. 🇦🇺🇦🇺
Ladies should give signs of interest and men should make the first move. It’s not WRONG that ladies ask a man out, but I don’t recommend it because of future consequences to the structure of the relationship created . It starts in the wrong dynamics .. and when it does, usually it continues like that. Never had good results for me, so now I avoid it to the most…
@Jay yes, showing interest does help the other party know you want to get to know. No response is just not honring God. Treat others you want to be treated
I guess Men should make the first move but I’m not against those ladies who do
I mean yes what's the worst thing that The person you're going to make the move on says no
Honestly I would prefer it if guys made the first move, however, I know some people are shy so if I’ve not had a message after a match I’ll send one just in case, but it seems quite common for people to match and then not talk to you which seems strange to me 🤷♀️
@Jess it’s weird right? If there was a match why don’t the guys say anything ? 🤦🏻♀️
@Jay I mean, we could be busy. There's many reasons why we wouldn't act on a match immediately. Could also be we're unsure of how to start the conversation. For some blokes, starting a convo is a challenging and daunting feat, particularly when it's to a potential partner.
@Jay agreed its strange
@Liam I don’t even mean here as answering a match immediately … I mean in general, in life. But here most matchs never say anything. Not immediately not ever. And those are guys women already “pre approved” - so chance of rejection is low. Cmon.. do we gotta do all the work? 😅 Doesn’t the Bible say the man FINDS the wife ? People are waiting to be found hahaha
@Jay I have no idea. I always wait a bit but I often don’t get a response which makes me not want to initiate because 1) it is disheartening and 2) I have no idea what to say so Im reluctant to spend ages thinking of something nice and considerate for no response.
@Liam agreed but when it’s been a day or so (or longer depending on my busyness) and still nothing, and I make the step to reach out and send a message that shows I’ve taken an interest in them (as advised on the app) and to try and start a conversation and still no reply that’s just confusing to me…
I wouldn't have a problem making the first move
for suree🙏🏼💪
Yes
There's no right answer to this question. The reason I say this, 1) men want to pursue but it's not the fact that we're always afraid too it's for a plethora of reasons for example we're in constant competition with a vastly large group of men so that deturs us, we get put off asking because of what today's "feminism" has created that makes men feel like they're constantly walking on eggshells and then there are those that are shy and aren't sure how to approach woman or take rejection...
2) I'm gonna get heat for this but it's true...woman say they "know" what they want in theory however in reality they're all over the place from one minute to the next. Constantly changing their mindset, indecisiveness, and men can't stand that. However both sides are equally at fault for the biggest issues...communication and a foundational relationship with Christ. You don't have that you don't have anything.
When I first started on the app I used to like the male profiles I was interested in, but I didn't have peace doing that so switched to waiting to see who comes up in my like list and then open a match if its mutual. Again I won't message first I'll wait and see if they want to step forward and go from there. Not saying thats for everyone this is just how the Lord guided me
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@Amiel what would you say a woman should do to show her open to being approached? I’m interested in your opinion
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I agree with you. Some guys who are very shy simply do not sense the woman’s interest. God bless with your search.
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Yes. It's biblical. Lol Men should pursue.
@Shanell what about Ruth's case? Seems like she made the first move... it is also biblical. It's not "doctrinal" that the man MUST take the inititive, though I agree with this, I like to make the first move, but there is nothing wrong about women doing it (they kinda always do in the real world anyway, by signaling the man that they can approach/talk to them).
@Orlando Yes women can express an interest but it is better for a man to lovingly pursue here in a respectful way, This sets the expectations for what a future relationship may look like.
@Orlando Ruth is a great example. I like for a man to make the first move, even on here, but what I’ve learned is that men often don’t. So I will now message or speak if I want to make it clear I’m interested. I haven’t snuck into anyone’s barn yet though …
@Amanda I like this as a reminder. Have you had much response from making your interest clear?
@Evelyn also Boaz still pursued Ruth - she just made it clear that that was okay
@Jess Yes that is correct.
@Jess This is incorrect. Boaz did not pursue. Ruth not only pursued Boaz she was the one that made the marriage proposal to him! Please read Ruth the 3rd chapter and report back
@Jess Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I figure it’s worth a try. One thing that has been good, particularly in ‘real life’, is that being the one to speak has cleared the air even if it hasn’t gone the way I’d hoped.
@Troy not incorrect. Ruth reminds Boaz of his responsibility to her. In chapter 3, she reminds him that he is her kinsman redeemer and she is open to the idea. When she says spread your cloak over me, she is saying put me under your protection etc. I would not say this is a marriage proposal but a reminder to him that he should propose!
@Amanda I think this is so important and I try to do that too. I also try to be clear on intros that I receive where I stand if I don’t think it’s going to work (I (maybe for personal or theological reasons - i try to give people a chance even if I’m not sure unless there’s something very very clear on my end) because I would hate for someone to be misled but I am open to friendships and I think that’s where things should start!
@Jess If you read Boaz's response in Ruth 3:10-12 He says, 1. "You(Ruth) did not go after the young men neither poor or rich" Meaning she could have pursued and proposed to one of the younger available men that were not related to her former husband. 2. "It is true I am close relative" meaning he already knew Ruth was a relative before Ruth said anything, but He didn't make a move until after she proposed
@Troy go after doesn’t necessarily mean propose. Women can chase after men and they can position themselves to make men realise they are interested. Ruth could have shown other men she was interested but she didn’t.
You might not agree with this statement as others do and that’s fine. I’m not going to be continuing this discussion any further because I’m fairly sure we won’t be in agreement and that’s fine.
He (Boaz) wouldn’t have gone after Ruth anyway because he wasn’t the closest relative and he had no right to do so despite being obviously interested in her from the beginning. Chapter 4 is the explanation of why he doesn’t chase after her and as a Godly man I don’t think for a second he would have don’t anything that might have caused her hurt because he genuinely cares for her
Are we playing chess or checkers?
When it comes to displaying interest on apps like this, I don’t think it makes a difference who reaches out first. The guy may never even see a possible future match’s profile unless she expresses interest first. Just my opinion, though ❤️
Personally I think it’s better if the male makes the first move after the woman shows interest, eg matching or another way if it’s in person.
I don't think there's anything wrong with females making the first move (in fact I think this would benefit very shy and introverted men). I too have sometimes sent the first message once matching with a guy (although only if I haven't heard from them after a day 😆). However, I am usually quite traditional and would prefer the man to lead as whenever I have thought about pursuing men in general something in my spirit hasn't felt quite right.
It would be if she made the 1st move sometimes😅. It can be hard to tell if someone is interested or not every now and then.
It’s nice if they do but doesn’t always have to be the case!
I agree!!
I study psychology at Harvard University and have spent ~10,000 hours dating (the number that technically makes someone an expert). There’s an absolute need for the man to seek and chase. If he doesn’t, he isn’t interested. There’s nothing “wrong” with a woman asking/messaging - yet if you need to, the man likely needs to discover his God and himself more before he dates. Let the man lead. Reassure, yet let him lead 🙏
@Amber absolutely- women can drop a hint or green light 🚦 but men should ‘find a wife’. That said if you are a woman and comfortable making the first move then that’s fine. Not for me though
@Tracey I agree with the part about “dropping the hint” 🟢 and making yourself available, waiting patiently, praying and let him lead.
@Tracey Agree Tracey.
@Amber so even secular research backs up the idea that men should make the majority of the efforts to connect?
Even in the way God designed us biologically - the man gives and the woman presents herself and receives. Without going into too much details - if you know what I mean 👀
@Martin yep! However there is nothing “wrong” with women making moves - it’s just a lot harder to define if a man is interested if we (as women) are putting ourselves out there. I have not been shy to make the first move, and after many years of being single I finally get it…
@Amber And I’ll add to that that if the woman takes initiatives she may set this as a precedence in the relationship. If you, as a woman take initiatives and initiates, please do not be surprised when the man sits back and relax and let you plan your dates, holidays, birthday parties, etc. Don’t you say, down the line, that you want a man with a plan.
@Amber Oof, that's a hard one to hear. I intentionally allow space in relationships so people are free to go -- it shows me the ones who really want to stay; and I will never chase. 🤔
@Ryan people need to be clear about intentions. I don’t like time wasters and make it clear if you are not genuine
@Evelyn with your interest then I would rather move on.
This question is too ambiguous. There are a lot of differences between people who do match. Different church denomination, different ages, different culture depending on the state you were born. Sometimes people like to talk, sometimes they are shy. And there are people who simply don't think you're interesting, you simply don't match their expectations this goes for both man and women. They somehow know you're not "the one" even before some deep connection or conversation.
@Joao Totally agree. There are many scenarios to consider.
@Evelyn Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Honestly, dating is hard enough, so there is no need to overthink it. I think both men and women should just approach someone if they are interested and not sabotage themselves with arbitrary expectations of how things should be done.
@Georg nicely said, don't add ourselves some difficulties 😅
@Georg Yes George agree. Once they meet in person, get to know each other’s personalities etc then in a genuine Christian relationship the guy will get to know how to pursue her in a winsome way.
I think what is most important is the intention. While guys may be thinking it is their job to make the first move. Men must stop and think what are my intentions to connect either this other person
@Kenneth So true Kenneth. Honesty and clear communication is so important.
Personally I feel like who makes the first move shouldn’t/doesn’t matter because it doesn’t go against God’s word for a girl to make the first move either. Except the Holy Spirit says otherwise either the guy or girl can/should make the first move.
@Gied see my response to your comment above.